I have a feeling that this will happen again and the time between the change will be lessened. I agree that paying $40 is a little too steep for a metal rod. View Deal . While I certainly see his point, I have large hands and fat fingers, and thus prefer to use the slide stop to release the slide. They will stand behind their product. We train Soldiers to use the blade of the non firing hand to rack the slide by catching the front of the rear sight (ala 10-8 forums rear sight) on the top of the slide and apply sharp rearward pressure while pushing forward with the grip hand. 96, 92, M9. My beef is the same with all double/singles with a decocking leverthey are unsafe to operate. Try this, I just got the 96A1 and am looking to do the steel guide rod as well. My experience with Beretta includes my time as a Marine with the M9, and now I have a 92FS. Theresbeen discussion here on TTAG about the durability of plastic guide rods (I mentioned it in my SIG P220 Elite Review.) The Office of the Attorney General is unable to guarantee the accuracy of this translation and is therefore not liable for any inaccurate information resulting from the translation application tool. I say this because I have come across quite a few threads and posts in which other M9 owners have the same exact low and left issue with a few also using a gun stands to check their gun Beretta is also the parent company for about a dozen other smaller companies (including Benelli, supplier of the M1014 Combat Shotgun). It is well worth the price. It loses a whole point for the safety/decocker placement. Well the 92D is a centurian model which means the frame and barrel and Little under a inch shorter than a full size. Beretta Barrel 92fs 9mm Luger Standard Blued Italy $199.99 Beretta M922/m9a122 Barrel Threaded 5.3" .22lr Blued $129.00 (Save $1.01) $127.99 . There are two locking lugs that engage appropriate recesses cut into the slides internal side surfaces. Then put a $7 D hammer spring in it to drastically reduce the double action trigger pull weight. Beretta clearly makes this fact known on their website, Sig is silent. The Beretta M9A1 evolved from the base design of the battletested and proven M9 pistol with input from military and law enforcement agencies around the world. Now-a-days, most Soldiers draw that pistol to fire in a hurry and press the trigger back a few times before they realize Oh Shit! I need to take the safety off! seconds are lost and the stage ends or the bad guy gets away. Good review but early on you mentioned that the g17 came a few years earlier but the 92 is from 1975-77 ish in a slightly different configuration but still the same pistol mostly I couldn't let you give that to glock sorry. 3. The Beretta 92FS is also an awesomely accurate gun. To further inhibit corrosion, 92FS barrels feature hard-chromed bores and chambers. All my 1911s, s&s wheel guns shotguns and rifles have 3#s! Mec Gar is the only option besides factory I trust with basically all of my magazines except Magpul. Recoil is very low, as is muzzle rise. The peak formed on the inside of the magazine is designed to keep cartridges away from the walls of the magazine, and thus away from dirt, oil, and other foreign materials that may get trapped inside. Many new 92 shooters complain that the gun shoots low & the sights are off when they dont realize this, ESPECIALLY if they dont have long-slender fingers. Good review of a good pistol. Why? Regardless of the bulk and weight of the 92, there is just something about the Beretta that keeps calling my name. I think its a reference to MoA or Minute of Arc/Angle. Striker fire pistols are nice, but the Army is looking for leap ahead technology that a pistol just isnt going to provide. At least that is what SIGs factory rep told me back when this was undergoing competition. The differences between the M9A1 (military version) and the 92A1 (civilian version) are minimal but worth mentioning. It is a highly rated Police and defensive round. Not to mention the MP7 is a PDW that is underwhelming compared to the 5.728 FN won that competition with. The hotrodding and conversion pieces were 800 and I was a barrel short! This is where the S comes in 92FS, and was done in response to reported defective slides during US Military testing where, during catastrophic failure, the slide blew off and injured shooters. However, the increased heft makes the recoil next to nothing, especially for those accustomed to shooting polymer-framed guns. Hate it? Beretta M9A1 DA/SA Full-Sized Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price vs Beretta 92FS DA/SA Full-Sized Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price Dimensions Details Capacity Dimensions Customary Metric Side-by-Side Comparison Charts Customary Metric How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? The Beretta, in general, has proven to be one of the most reliable pistols out there, passing three separate military tests without a hitch. I am the proud owner of a Beretta M9A1 which I believe to be a wonderful weapon! Shoots very low and a little to the left. Does anyone know of a fix for the play between the barrel and the slide? This circular design makes it easy to engage without sticking out like a sore thumb. Oh the barrel is Italian made so enough said on that! I will admit up front I prefer the 1911 however the Beretta may be my next purchase a range gun. You could argue that they became popular because they were one of the first wonder 9s.. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Beretta 92FS 92/96/98/M9A1 vs STARS CROWN Resident Evil Samurai Edge Walnut Grip at the best online prices at eBay! If you wanna go big and lets be real you do, the extended magazine from Beretta gives you 30 rounds of 9mm. The owner of this pistol changed the factory plastic guide rod to an OEM steel unit. It is better to train to rack that slide w/o the use of your fingers because you might not have them, and you might inadvertently apply the de-cocker when you really didnt want to if you did have them. Mec-Gar Beretta 92FS/M9 Extended Magazine 9mm Luger 20 Rounds Steel Black MGPB92 Mec-Gar Beretta 92FS/M9 Extended Magazine 9mm Luge Beretta 92FS/M9 Magazine 9mm Luger 17 Rounds Polymer Base Plate Steel Body PVD F Beretta 92FS/M9 Magazine 9mm Luger 17 Rounds Polym Galco Underwraps Elite Belly Band Ambi Holster Medium. I never considered the location to be problematic in any way. In all the years I have taught pistol classes, every class has at least one student with a double-single who dies several times during the class because he drew an inoperative weapon. Regular readers know that the Rabbi [vehemently] suggests that all reloads be done by grasping the rear of the slide (from slide-lock), pulling back and releasing. I bought it because the minute I put it in my had, it felt just right. Black. This gun however is a mess. Beretta 92Fs M9A1 9Mm 4.9" Barrel *Ca Legal*. BOTH FIREARMS WERE EASY TO CLEAN, DEPENDABLE AND VERY SAFE TO CARRY. Keep your pistol in top operational condition with factory original Beretta parts. Probably the best looking modern combat pistol around, rivaling even the much-loved 1911. You should have bought a RIA. The P90 & Five-seven would already be issued if Germany was not such a sore loser that they used their NATO card to derail the entire project when their 4.630 lost the competition to FNH. But but the guts are all the same. Its 2019, and every gun is a wonder 9, but the Beretta 92 keeps chugging along, coming out with the new M9A3. towards your level. Includes locking block. revolvers & a few pistols. 3,000 rounds throug it. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. Centerfire. I painted the front dot a fluorescent orange. The reset is short, not 1911 short, but almost SIG SRT short. The heavy double-action trigger pull (think 12 to 15 pounds) was more than adequate to ensure that no AD would occur. Using NATO head stamped 9mm ammo in a modern pistol is not a problem. The Beretta holds 15 rounds in the standard mag with magazines going up to 30 rounds. Ive not tried Hornady loads, but my M9A1 has been through a few hundred 147 gr Ranger T standard pressure rounds with no stoppages. Reviews (0) The M9A1 on the other hand, comes with PVD-coated 15-round magazines. I am a dedicated Glock user as they are more compact, lighter weight and simpler in use. It also comes with tritium night sights that allow windage adjustment. And yes, were aware, milspec 9mm peens the hell out of Walther P1s with their aluminum frames, but thats a metallurgical problemthe original P38 design called for a steel frame. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. Recover Tactical does have a rail system that replaces the grips and adds a rail to your gun. I have a 92A1 and was shown a characteristic of the 92s: The barrel has some movement in all directions because the slide does not hold the end of the barrel firmly. The first time I ever taught structured firearms instruction was for the Marine Corps, and when it came to handguns, Im glad it was the M9. Fortunately (or unfortunately), muzzleloader barrels are no longer available in the Beretta catalogue. . Beretta 92FS 92 90-Two 9mm 17-Round Steel Magazine Price $32.00 In Stock 5 Reviews JM909P17 Beretta Beretta 92FS 15 Round Magazine Price $32.00 In Stock 1 Review JM92HCB Beretta Beretta 92FS 9mm Magazine 30 Round Price $40.00 In Stock 1 Review C89282 Beretta Beretta 92X FR Full Size FDE 15 Round $899.00 (Save up to 6%) Price $849.00 In Stock Many have swallowed the kool-aid, probably started on a Sig forum. * Which is code speak meaning that the US Army at least is after something that will offer a significant leap ahead in terminal ballistic performance. Id like to reply to Mr. Carpenter and anyone else out there that might be hazarding a guess as to what the next US Military sidearm will be. On the slide it says Model 92A1- Pietro Beretta Gardone V.T. Where Can You Get A Steel Guide Rod For The 92A1? Be well and shoot straight. Just out of, oh, call it morbid curiosity, is SAAMI still using the old obsolete copper-crusher pressure testers to make these rather startling determinations? The 92 was designed with technology, information and machinery that is light years behind what can been done now. Im a coating inspector and I can tell you right now that should never happen. Locking blocks and slides have been discussed ad naseum. We break her open and what do we find? My DA shots were roughly scattered over twice the diameter of my SA shots, so 3.5 inch vs 2 inch at 21 ft. I dont quite remember if I pulled or not, but I did shoot low and quite left. Travis Pike is a Marine infantry veteran, firearms enthusiast, and NRA certified instructor. I then make the decision that I'm not giving a gun with no way to decock it except the old cowboy way. After 500 rounds we had to turn them in for new slides as the earlier ones cracked. Only 1 left in stock. The TLR 1 is one of the few lights Id trust for duty use, and its a proven performer. Includes a locking block and is a drop in barrel and does not require any . This article convinced me to pull the the trigger, and invest in a Beretta. The weapon is clumsy and is too heavy to take in the field for all day carry. Here are the problems, and a little gem of a tip for those of you slamming the magazine into the pistol to get the slide to release and thus load a new round into the chamber as quickly as you insert the magazine neeto huh? As with any gun (from 1911 to Glock), and any shooter, there needs to be a certain level of familiarity for both to be effective. On a semi-auto handgun, the weight of the slide moving back and forth causes more felt or perceived recoil. Its on the cover and poster for Die Hard, on three of the four covers for Lethal Weapon, and its even on the poster for Pulp Fiction, even though its not in the movie. I havent had a need to test any other hollowpoints, because it was my first choice. Average number of rounds between stoppages in standard reliability tests: P226 = 2,877 , Beretta = 1,750, Colt M1911 162. The only thing I dont like about the 92A1 is the dammed safety/decocking lever. GREAT ANALOGY! The 92A1 also features a removable front sight; you can replace or upgrade sights with relative ease. The overall shape and styling of the 92A1 is based on the 92FS with an accessory rail on the underside of the frame, while internal design is based on 90two.The 92A1 can interchange magazines with other 92-series pistols, as well as the grip panels, where the 90Two uses a wrap-around grip panel that can be user-changed. Fires like butter now. Barrel Length: 4.25" Magazine Capacity: 13; Sights: 3-Dot; Weight: 33.3 oz; Color: Inox; Related Products Sale. FULL DISCLOSURE: I admit to being the biggest Glock hater in America. I made some searches and keep getting directed to the factory M9 or 92 1/2 x 28 barrels. Holsters are easily to remove empty anyway. Beretta Stainless Allen-Hex Grip Screw Kit Fits Beretta 92/96/80 Series Pistols Beretta Stainless Allen-Hex Grip Screw Kit Fits Be Rock Island Armory 9mm Beretta 92 Magazine 17 Rounds. The search for such an item may well be underway, but *read the operational requirements very closely. The used value of a BERETTA 92FS INOX pistol has fallen ($81.13) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $862.72 . The magazine release is also reversible for lefties, which is another nice touch. The little recoil and muzzle climb make it an excellent combat pistol. I am an novice shooter in my late 50s and enjoyed all three firearms. Update..after 3 years the white dot sights have peeled off and faded. Sorry, but if they were to get their politically correct nose out of your superiors posterior they would realize that the point of war is to WIN! I reckon the Beretta has a bad rep in the service because a lot of them are in the same shape as ours were. It features Beretta's classic DA/SA trigger mechanism that has proven itself both reliable and easy to use. You must also use their springs with these. Problem is, the powers that be wont let our non-SpecWar units deploy this type ammo (they dont want to hurt anyone). The storied gunmakers getting ready to celebrate its twenty-fifthAnniversary as the U.S. Armed Forces supplier of the M9 Combat Pistol. Easy self install in about an hour. Frame Material. My thumbs will disengage most of these locks in a firing grip rendering them useless, but not the Berettas. I carried an M11 for about a month in Haiti in 1994 (when the CI agent to whom it had been issued went on leave.). I very much like this gun, but I will admit its dated for the price sometimes. An excellent refview of a beautiful and important pistol. And they specified modularity adjustable for various sized hands and ease of field maintenance. Very nice article. Something went wrong. I'm glad to see the military move on to another sidearm. The M9/92FS was proven more reliable than the Sig P226 during US Army testing. However, for less than $15, swapping in a steel guide rod, particularly one that may be subject to +P rounds, is easy enough. 9mm Luger. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. JavaScript is not enabled on your browser - our site will not work for you as intended. The M11 is normally carried by those whose duties require them to carry discreetly: CID (Criminal Investigators the Armys equivalent of NCIS), Counterintelligence (CI) agents, and the like. It's size was just unwieldy in my hand, especially when I was going for a combat pistol qualification (not the "it goes bang; here's a ribbon" bootcamp qualification). The MP7 has none of those qualities. >> Beretta does have a Golden steel rod for it This massive magazine was made for the CX4 Storm but works perfectly in the Beretta 92. Even with 124-grain +P ammunition, the Beretta 92FS is very easy to control and fun to shoot. The Beretta 92FS Made in Italy. Why do you hate Glock so much? A 919 +P 38,500 psi. The Ferrari of pistols. The only difference is the Taurus is about $150 cheaper. Mec-Gar Beretta 92FS/M9 Magazine 9mm Luger 10 Roun Beretta 96F/96G Surplus Magazine .40 S&W 11 Rounds New Condition Surplus Steel B Beretta 96F/96G Surplus Magazine .40 S&W 11 Rounds Beretta 92FS 15 Round Magazine 9mm Steel Blued. What you are missing, is that your quote My reasoning is this. A very bulky gun. The Federal 124-gr grouped the tightest hand-held at 33 feet. Type your email address and well send