Good Luck OP. Um nope. All Rights Reserved. So what's next? The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. Absolutely love this sub-gun and couldn't be happier with the fit, finish, accuracy or reliability. I saw the video from NRAAM with the rep, this SMG started as a solicitation which never went throughat the point the deal fell through, it should have been immediately reconfigured for 9MM. Today we're reviewing the updated version of the LWRC SMG 45! Churn out a few thousand to drop the price, add a 10mm and 9mm option, and theyll sell like mad. I've got 3 LWRCI rifles and they've been rock-solid tack-drivers, with almost no quality issues except for one SMG magazine that needed tuning. Available with lower capacity magazines to meet state or local compliance. Time will tell need to get to the range with it more. Reply More posts from r/LWRC. This in vogue offering from LWRC can be easily understood considering the recent uptick in pistol caliber carbines (PCC), but what makes this product different than other offerings? Been excited about this weapon since seeing early reports back in 2016. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. HK bUMP It does seem like they refined it and made it more custom, I was thinking it would have a standard AR charging handle and be blow back, basically just an AR45. Perfect truck gun for conceal. It's a great gun but we prefer the B&T APC45 to the LWRC SMG. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol + SB Tactical Brace. Evidently MY SMG doesn't like the extra weight of the suppressor on the front end. Yeah I thought they had given up on it. I like it more each time I take it out. Always. It shot a shotgun pattern group at close distances. I can't wait to see how the 9mm version shoots! Money better spent on More AMMO. I picked one up a few weeks ago. I saw the same video this afternoon as well. They can be had new retail for as little as $500, which is the cheapest I've ever known them to be in the last 20 years. and our Answer (1 of 15): The AR market is so flush right now that that the cheapest AR style rifle is actually an AR-15. LWRC looks like they took what works: AR controls, AR parts (presumably), H&K magazines, and put on a side-charging handle and M-LOK abound. $ 2,499.00 For sale is a LWRC SMG-45 semi-automatic pistol in .45 ACP. as much as I like the idea of a PCC in .45 ACP, Im not seeing a reason this would be 3x as much fun as a Scorpion EVO 3 at the range. There is still a market for it there and they can distinguish themselves a bit. Subbed to stay abreast of its development. All the groups were consistent and tight and I have NO stove pipe feed malfunctions with ANY of the magazines. They are awesome. I spoke with a rep from LWRC probably around June or July and he said the initial feeding problems was a magazine issue and that they have fixed the accuracy/flyer issue. The other shot just fine. Should I just move on? Please let us know what is the part? LWRC SMG-45 By DK535, November 12, 2021 in Other Firearms & Non-NFA Reply to this topic Start new topic DK535 Forum Dabbler Members 3 14 posts Trader Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted November 12, 2021 Does anyone know if the SMG-45 is legal to own in NJ? Generally speaking I fail to see the point in a semi-auto subgun. If so, I would love one. I was really looking forward to buying one soon but now I'm going to have to hold off. LWRC SMG UMP 45 Auto Magazine 25 Round. Most people are cheap and stupidthats why that sell the sh/t out of Budweiser, Bud Light, and Michelob Ultra. Available in 9mm and 45 ACP, the LWRC SMG pistol has an 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged Chromoly steel barrel, a full-length Picatinny rail, a highly customizable M-LOK mounting system with panels at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock positions, fully ambidextrous controls, a proprietary Ultra Combat Grip, an SB Tactical Folding Brace, and Magpul MBUS Pro Sights. It shot a shotgun pattern group at close distances. Double check the back of the mags. They can be had for less than a kit built Romanian AK-47, whi. Aug . I just took mine out today for the third time .multiple shooters .multiple types of ammo .bench rest conditions 10.15 and 25 yards and Im getting 7 inch groups at 25 yards has anyone else had the same problem with this gun? gunbroker rgf7018 Burnt Bronze DI w/ Vortex Razer too much color? Contribute to ily44s/GGC-Weapons development by creating an account on GitHub. Free Weapon Pack for FiveM. Mostly the lower grip . I zeroed it last Tuesday and made sure all the issues were resolved and they were. The only thing I didnt really like on the full auto one I got to play with were the separate safety and fire rate controls. If money wasn't an issue, I'd get this gun in a heartbeat just for how cool it looks with that magazine. Cool gunhaving one would just make me wish it was an UMP though. Serial number- 4AM00280. Immediately bought 5 extra mags from HKparts.net (US made - they worked well and much less than German HK). Or it will group ok and them have 7-9 flyers . Important information regarding ammo orders, Important information regarding pistol braces, The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles [2023], The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles, The Ultimate Guide To Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCCs) & Submachine Guns (SMGs), The Ultimate Buyer's Guide to Bullpup Rifles & Shotguns for [2023], AR10 Ultimate Guide: The Definitive Guide to the Best AR10s, AR10 Parts, and AR10 Accessories [2023]. Way too many problems for the price for my liking. TRRK TRADING has had a few of these in inventory and sold them all. Solid as a brick; awesome recoil abatement through the delayed blowback and the fact I can use ubiquitous UMP mags. I found it odd that there was a quiet time between when he got it, had issues and then sold it. I got to handle one at my LGS. Mine is a late #2xx serial number with around 500 rounds to date. I admit it. Its not really my cup of tea but I doubt the price will be that high forever. Cookie Notice Add to Cart. All firearms ship from our APPROVED FFL Dealers. Maybe true on the out side, but NOT on the inside. The SMG 45's non-reciprocating charging handle folds flat and is easily swappable from left to right side. You get all the muzzle velocity increase youll practically see with LWRCs barrel length, a caliber begging for a can, and a half-inch thumper of a bullet out the end. Very informative with him showing the "vertical flyer" as it was put. Every time i open this thread it makes me glad i didn't waste my money. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. This baby eats everything and is now my full time travel companion (sorry mpx-k) totally worth the wait an the price. Ive made that argument before but Id rather not follow that groove on certain popular game guns I guess and the Vector is one of them. Jun 30, 2022. Without adding too much length on to any host firearm, this SiCo suppressor is one of the most maneuverable on our 45 ACP suppressor list. The LWRC SMG-45 Crown is a Submachine Gun. I really like mine. It's a weird setting, but it's VERY important for accuracy. JavaScript is disabled. Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.9 lbs and compact folding to a mere 15.3". The B&T APC45 is less expensive and we feel better made. My brother who is an Engineer also fired it- and no issues with zeroing in at 25 yards using a Holosun HS510C sight. Powered by Invision Community. Ships with 2 25 round US- manufactured UMP magazines with Paddle Style mag release for easy load and mag changes. ICA5U5B16. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRC's own attachment system). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Switched the brace to a tailhook and swapped in a Geissele GRF single stage and it has been incredibly accurate with Winchester White box so far. Aesthetically speaking that is a good looking firearm! Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. After repair, the accuracy is still good. On anything with a longer than 6 barrel, I agree with you. pwrserge says: AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. I empty 4 of them every time I go to the range. Paste as plain text instead, Found a Kriss Vector in .45 for a third of the price that shot a much tighter group. I think that they look cool, but Im just not really seeing the utility in it. Now I have to fight her for it during couple shoots. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Developed for the needs of a government contract back in 2015, this submachine gun (SMG) as LWRC calls it only recently came available in a pistol version available for the general public. Suppressed or unsuppressed. But GT did find ( 5 ) with the same flaw . Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.2 lbs and . For moral support, I took a good high school friend of mine (we are in our 50s) that is a teacher and has no experience firing these type of weapons. What am I doing wrong? LWRC SMG 45 25 Round Magazine $72.75 (Save up to 6%) Price $68.39 L04-0061C01 LWRC International LWRC DI CA Compliant Rifle Price $1807.00 In Stock ICDIR5B16CAC LWRC International LWRC IC-A5 556 NATO 16.1 In. I guess Im old fashioned. Suppressed is pure butter, flat and fast. I own lots of firearms Im way past necessity so looks are very important as bad as that sounds I still want it to work imagine that . Got the zero pretty much on but it was still scattered all over the target. Just read some reviews on the B&T and none were flattering. Thats exactly why I posted this. Your friend will receive an email from you with a link to our site. LWRC SMG 45 Problems Prudii Jul 28, 2020 5 3,392 Prudii PMMEYOURCZPICS Supporting Member Multi-Factor Enabled Joined Jun 11, 2017 Messages 1,442 Location Triad Rating - 100% 35 0 0 Jul 28, 2020 #1 TL;DW Significant accuracy issues across multiple guns with random flyers 10+ MOA away from point of aim. The first batch of the much anticipated LWRCI SMG .45 has shipped earlier this week. In stock. LWRCI makes terrific firearms. Maybe they had a vote, maybe its something else but it is what it is. Might be worth looking into those items if you haven't already considered them. But I also saw a pic of one with a cracked bolt carrier (or whatever they call it). They aren't the first to start trying to find a culprit part, tolerance, CNC machine, forge error, mold error, etc. It looks the titties, 100% agree, but IMO anything that's $3k should eat whatever you feed it without bitching. LWRCI SHORT RECOIL DELAYED BLOWBACK SYSTEM, LWRCI HIGH PERFORMANCE ALUMINUM AND STEEL CONSTRUCTION, LWRCI REVERSABLE NON-RECIPROCATING FOLDING CHARGING HANDLE, LWRCI 8.5 COLD HAMMER FORGED CHROMOLY STEEL BARREL, HARDCOAT ANODIZED NITRIDE NICKEL BORON SURFACE COATINGS THROUGHOUT, SHOOTS SUPPRESSED USING A BOOSTER/NEILSON DEVICE. Stove piped 3 out of 5 shots. PASS. Final verdict: Because of its construction, the SilencerCo Omega 45K is a great suppressor for either PCCs or handguns. The first one, was one of the first produced and it had some issues with magazine pressure and failures to feed. After reading the responses here, its going to be a no for me. Gamers turn into airsofters who turn into practical rifle / 3 gun guys. Mine has been fine on both counts but I haven't shot it much recently. After a couple of days at the range this is one of my favs right up there with my Tavor X95. let me add though regardless of your dominant hand everyone that I have let get familiar with it has really been blown away by how intuitive running it has been. Haven't had a problem since although only a few mags through it so far, and no issues with two other mags I ordered from LWRC. LWRC- Love it. Got a HK German spring for it. The SMG 45 is exhibiting a problem the LWRC knows about, and now the market does too. Helping that threaded muzzle be more effective when suppressed and greatly cutting down on felt recoil as compared to a straight blowback system is a unique delayed blowback mechanism. Or should LWRC send me a new one? The SMG-45 uses an inertia-driven, delayed blow-back design. Optic is a Vortex UH1 Holographic sight love it. Add to cart Add to wishlist. (The two round burst function is a technological marvel.) Garand Thumb did a review and he hated it. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Runs great with octane 45 [deleted] 20 days ago A lot do, and as you probably know 45 ACP is well suited for suppression. Only trade would be a Vudoo sporter style .22 in great shape. I saw one of these on a tv gun show last week and started looking them up for extra info. Length: 6.36". Yet, it still fired when the time came. Advanced Trigger Guard Polymer. Follow Our Other Media Pages: @rshgungroup Show more LWRC SMG 45 Overview 4.7K views 1 year ago 9mm vs 45 ACP, WE END THE. Would go with a BT APC .45. Does anyone have one yet that could shed any light on what its like in person? First few times taking apart and putting back together were painful but OK now that I know the tricks. Every shot is super-fun. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 3k for a new gun that might shoot like sh!t is a real bummer for sure. Please enter your username or email address. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. It was very accurate with RD site out to almost 75yds until I saw big drop. Any updates yet? I had an interesting experience with my SMG-45 acquired early SN: 000118. This SMG has been shown at least since NRA 2016 in Louisville, theyve had plenty of opportunity to change to 9MM and go to M-LOK, especially considering its stratospheric (for a pistol caliber PDW) $3000 price tag. Gunprime reserves the right to modify or change pricing information or descriptions without notice. Quick View. That overarching cool factor combined with the general level of stupidity of the people picking it up repulses me. LWRCICR5TG16SPRBT. In full auto, the best I could do was 4-5 round bursts. It would be a cool gun to own if it was in 10mm and was closer to $1,500. Constructed using high performance aluminum and steel materials with premium hard coat anodized nitride nickel boron surface treatments throughout, the SMG .45 is built to last. I feel for the guys that are struggling with accuracy issues, but I'm not one of them. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Mags are back in stock at LWRCI, just grabbed 2 more! Most of my AR-9 builds use Colt-style mags because I love how that looks over the slanted Glock mags or the banana clips seen on the MP5 or the Ruger 10/22. Cant say enough good things about it. I was about to buy one but like always I try to do my due diligence before making a major purchase . Thanks! It's a tack driver, takes Glock mags, and cost 1/3 of what the LWRC cost. The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. DSG got three of them in, but I was already on the list for one. Yeah I'm using the Neilson device that's standard on the AAC TiRant 45M. (Especially if you SBR them.). Too busy at work. LWRC IC-SPR (CA Compliant) Rifle | ICR5B16SPRCAC 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), Semi-Automatic, 16.1" Spiral Fluted, Adjustable Stock, Black Anodized Finish, 12" Rail, Flip-Up Sights, 10+1 Rds Hinterland #: 66655 MFG #: ICR5B16SPRCAC In stock MAP: $2,334.70 Request a price Add to Wish List Add to Compare 74677 MFG #: Add to Wish List Add to Compare Low Stock Im extremely excited to hopefully put some rounds through one eventually. Thats kinda ridiculous. I'm waiting for one and hope that they eventually produce an upper in 10 mm and 9mm and even 40 SWif this works as good as I believe its potential, I believe that this PCC will have a bright future! It's needed since it's recoil operated just like a tilting barrel pistol and extra weight affects it the same way. It has been punished and torture tested in the harshest environment's, to guarantee that it will not fail when you need it most. I've had a chance to play with mine a bit and I really like the whole setup. April 29, 2019 at 21:58 and they will not be the last. Next time I go to the range, I'm taking the front portion of the suppressor off to see if the weight subtraction will increase the reliability. SMG .45 FEATURES: Fully Ambidextrous lower controls: AR Selector, bolt catch, grip and hammer/trigger allows easy operation for right or left handed shooters Innovative Paddle Style Mag release. 9mm Luger guy here so it's a pass for me. JavaScript is disabled. Meet the first model in the SMG Family, the SMG-45. Instead of a roller-delayed system found in Heckler & Koch's genre-defining MP5 subgun or the direct blow-back design found in many other submachine guns, the SMG-45 uses what LWRCI describes as a short-recoil action that includes a moving barrel. I did get some early jams because I overloaded the mags right out of the package. No, its not a popular handgun cartridge, because when you have to hold a double stack 45 handgun it always feels like a behemoth. Considering the APC9 is in 9mm and its DI Buffer system is very efficient I think that is a huge complement to have the same recoil as something shooting a bullet half the size. Also AR trigger compatible so you have the option to put whatever trigger you like in as well. A transfer, not for sale. Full Size (kinda) Glock 19x Dagger. Trick #4: To fully insert bolt assembly, push the little round spring-loaded thingie at the back of the bolt (this little gem caused me about an hour of extra work to figure out how to get the bolt assembly fully inserted into the upper.) Having fired the Vector (in .45) and the MP5K both with the giggle switch installed, Im partial to the Vector. It seem there is a flaw that causes horrible accuracy issues . by 3dcart Online Store Creator. For 3k price, I will go for a top of the line Wilson Combat AR pistol that takes glock mag AND with the rest of the money get a Glock 19 that also takes Glock mag. It may not display this or other websites correctly. We kept one as a demo for a few weeks and put several hundred rounds through it. Pricey, but so much fun to shoot. Garand Thumb posted a review showing 8 inch groups at 17 yards, while also shooting inch groups with other PCC's at the same distance. Please complete the fields below to send your friend a link to this product. In .45interesting choice, but a good one. Both mags worked flawlessly, but accuracy at about 20 yards was rubbish. While every effort is made to include accurate and correct images, descriptions and pricing for all products, inadvertent errors may occur. The SMG-45 is sure to become extremely popular with anyone who appreciates suppressed shooting. I hope that LWRC gets the kinks ironed out expeditiously. Ill only buy delayed blow back. For more information, please see our If Biden's plan goes through, I'll probably SBR it. Should I buy one and hope for the best . We both shot 1 inch groups from the standing position. Sure. It looks nice indeed. But when you can have those 25 rounds hanging off the gun just forward the trigger then youve drastically changed a factor in caliber choice. Data collection LWRC now needs data. I really want one or these just a little nervous from issues people had with the gen 1s. The whole recoil system on the Vector is an interesting design and the one I shot was pretty nice, though it was a 9mm. To top that off, considering the SMG-45's compact 8.5-inch barrel, this pistol will be handy with even the longest of mounted suppressors. Like other Submachine guns and PDWs, its concealability and suppressor abilities make it perfect for your new truck gun or home defense weapon. Its the reason why HK early on, only developed 45 ACP suppressed with the Mark 23 SOCOM for Navy Seals and later USP for civilians. Lets not forget that the SMG is modular and as more calibers come out, you can swap. Wife really enjoyed shooting which she is does not like shooting my .45 handguns for size and stability. Weight: 10.7 oz. You will receive a link to create a new password via email. Yeah, games sell guns and get people into firearms. The accuracy and the butt stock being set down slightly are the only things he disliked from the whole package . Like the Glock 19x, Sig MCX Rattler, FN 509, and many other firearms originally developed for contracts, the LWRC SMG-45 popularity draws increasing demand from civilian customers. I really hope Lwrc acknowledges and fixes the accuracy issues with the smg 45 . You are using an out of date browser. Ambi Selector Switch. Speaking of backpack guns and PDWs, the collapsible length of a mere 15.3 inches with its SB tactical folding brace provides the handler high concealability. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Would be a lot more attractive at 1.5k range. At least with a muffler all you get is old guys who tell you its illegal but since they think its illegal they dont want to play with it.